VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.220] [Lust & Passion]

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Y.Gromov

Y.Gromov

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hzjujk said:
We're going to see the hottest scene with Natalie. For this relationship, Sophia already has "permission" from Liam, in the form of a threesome's mind game. For me that means touching is allowed, kissing is allowed. As a sister, Patricia runs outside the normal rules of the game.
Sam, on the other hand, is a completely different level. If Sophia allows Sam to kiss and touch, she is actively cheating on her husband. That Sophia fantasizes about it is one thing, but it is something completely different to make it reality. Therefore I think we will see a strip of Sophia in her bedroom while changing her clothes, while Sam is watching from across the street from his room. Even if Sophia knows that he is watching, and also realizes that Sam knows that she knows that he is standing there, she can still credibly deny it in front of others (including Sam).
The Cathy Event will change these rules. Something will happen there or something will be said that makes Sophia believe she can also take away certain freedoms from potential male sex partners (for example Sam). And that's why she won't reject any further advances made by Sam during the next day's music lesson.
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That is, when a man in the club pawed her between her legs, does it not count as cheating?)
 
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hzjujk

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pupoc said:
That is, when a man in the club pawed her between her legs, does it not count as cheating?)
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Of course, but you've never seen a scene like this. The vacillation between pleasure and self-discipline / responsibility. And then the situation ended. The events with Sam are of a different quality. Here she will no longer reject it. And she will not have anyone who helped Sophia to apologize for her behavior. Because only because the other women showed their solidarity, Sophia was able to suppress her behavior so quickly - "It was only one evening in the club. I was drunk and rejected the man. Nothing happened! I was steadfast!".
With Sam it's different because feelings are involved. And Sophia knows that when she gets involved in a situation / event with Sam.
 
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hzjujk said:
Of course, but you've never seen a scene like this. The vacillation between pleasure and self-discipline / responsibility. And then the situation ended. The events with Sam are of a different quality. Here she will no longer reject it. And she will not have anyone who helped Sophia to apologize for her behavior. Because only because the other women showed their solidarity, Sophia was able to suppress her behavior so quickly - "It was only one evening in the club. I was drunk and rejected the man. Nothing happened! I was steadfast!".
With Sam it's different because feelings are involved. And Sophia knows that when she gets involved in a situation / event with Sam.
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Alcohol makes Sophia do different things. The update will show who is right!)
 
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pupoc said:
Alcohol makes Sophia do different things. The update will show who is right!)
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But L&P doesn't leave the impression that too much alcohol is needed. And how much Sophia drank only changes the mood a little, it doesn't short-circuit selfcontrol.
My point is that the other Sophia is very close to the everyday Sophia, a very thin crust separates them.

And I think the scene with Julia is the best proof that Sophia's slutty side is released at the slightest temptation
 
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Sabertooth__ said:
Does it even matter. You are most definitely going to be the one who will skip through everything and then come and tell that the update was short and you completed it in 5 minutes ( which if you actually play would not be possible ).

I'm sure you'll have 5 minutes. And then you can go back to your dream game BaDik
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Triggered much, you are definitely one of those regulars... :KEK:
 
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BorgiaBou said:
Triggered much, you are definitely one of those regulars... :KEK:
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Do you use any logic in what you write ? Why would I be triggered, I don't play BaDik, I play this game, I'll play this game and I don't care anyone else has played it or not. How does anything in the scenario trigger me.

What does trigger me is people like you who only speak bullshit about the game, the dev, the development and the people of the thread and still shamelessly play this game amd immediately after playing are back to their old ways.
 
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Sabertooth__ said:
Do you use any logic in what you write ? Why would I be triggered, I don't play BaDik, I play this game, I'll play this game and I don't care anyone else has played it or not. How does anything in the scenario trigger me.

What does trigger me is people like you who only speak bullshit about the game, the dev, the development and the people of the thread and still shamelessly play this game amd immediately after playing are back to their old ways.
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Dude chill go bust a nut or two to the BaDIK game you'll feel better... :ROFLMAO:
 
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ancienregimele

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I think we did discuss this point. The in game proportions of these characters has not changed from individual character perspective. For these characters everything is the same.
You have to understand that this is an art and as the artist gets better he makes better looking stuff. The present Sophia, Patricia, Alyssa or any character looks far better and different than they did initially. Dylan and the other children look a lot bigger than they did in the beginning.

This shouldn't affect the realism in my opinion. This happens a lot of times,where the artist gets better, changes his art style etc. In the 3d games, the models get changed or bettered.
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I understand precisely what you're saying but an increase of 3 breast sizes has nothing, IMO, to do with an artist's admirable improvement. If Sophia's nose grew like Pinnochio's because the Dev had got better at crafting noses & decided that he liked long ones, would that be OK? Remember that to the characters in the game, her nose would always have been this long! Sophia being top-heavy doesn't ring true to many like me who played from almost the start of this VN. She was proportionate, now she's not.
 
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I think this, and the use of cliffhangers, would be the wrong approach. I get the appeal, but I think it would hurt the big picture. Think about it from the perspective of someone playing the game a year or two from now. If every scene ends on a cliffhanger, or has high degrees of drama, the audience will be exhausted. This is an age old dilemma for writers, writing a serialized story vs writing an episodic sorry require different approaches. By going to an event based release schedule, L&P needs to be careful to keep the serialized nature of the story in mind. While drama filled events would be more entertaining for us as we play then in real-time, they would conversely create a more disjointed game for those that play it all at once. If Sophia is running from one drama filled event to the next, the audience would be right to be a little confused about how this person could live a life with so much drama. Downtime, and relaxed events, are critical to keeping the story grounded; even if those are boring updates for us as we get them in real-time.

If you're interested in learning more about how a episodic story with cliffhangers can be difficult to translate into a serialized story, I suggest you check out the YouTuber Folding Ideas, and his review on 50 Shades of Grey. He details how 50 Shades was originally fan fiction written in episodes that were drama heavy. Each chapter ended on a cliffhanger which kept people in suspense until the next chapter. Folding Ideas speaks at length about how this was a nightmare when adapting the story to films because the story structure itself was not designed for a coherent 3 hour narrative. AWAM would be in a similar situation. Sophia's demeanor from one scene to the next is already sometimes difficult to justify at times. If we crank up the drama to make the event-based releases more exciting, hey demeanor from one scene to the next week be very hard to keep straight.
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I agree completely that a story that is drama-heavy without lighter scenes lacks the levels that a good story provides. These levels essentially release tension and 'resets' the audience for the next scene. If I am reading your post correctly you are ascribing my description 'introduction-tension-resolution' to mean 'drama'. This was not my intent at all.
Good story-telling is much like good music writing. There can be high 'drama' phrases as well as phrases that emote tranquility. In both cases the chord and note progression often resolve leaving the intended emotional or artistic affect in the audience. It is true that some phrases do not resolve until the end of the piece (and this is strategic). In my experience long compositions such as classical music withhold a full resolution until the end to 'announce' the end.
An example of introduction-tension-resolution in a tranquil scene would be: Sophia enters her home via the front door; tells Dylan she is expecting an important call so she may have to break from their conversation; Sophia receives the important call. I know this appears bland in its description, but could be very entertaining done well... and can be written as comedy or as a stress breaker. In spite of this, the audience feels satisfied because the resolution took place. I hope this helps clarify my meaning. Feel free to ask if you want to know more.
Sincerely, Jack.
 
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