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Not going to happen. Remember, this dev "hates" piracy and wants to add drm. Just an excuse to break up the releases into smaller parts that require a download in the game itself as i understand it so the dev can milk more money out of his patrons over something that will require him to extend development time just to keep it working as intended with some form of an active account login system, supposedly through patreon, a service which that site does not and never has provided. Why on earth would they do that for one dev? L&P is seriously overestimating the value of his game not just to patreon but to his own patrons. Drm has always been a headache for gamers and that will never change. Odds are he's just setting himself up and is going to basically shoot himself in the foot. I lay odds he's going to lose support the moment he implements it and it will STILL end up on sites like this. Time waster basically just to try and get more money. It's no wonder he's getting so much criticism lately. His decisions are actively ruining what could have been a great game. and before any of the local trolls want to cry foul over "complainer" bullshit, i use to actively support him on patreon AND would defend him in this thread and offer what insight i could so he could grow as a developer (i was honestly surprised he even bothered to listen to me a few times). Apparently, he's chosen to be a milker dev though and pretty much destroyed any legitimacy he may have once had around this forum as being a good developer that was setting up to be successful like a few others i've mentioned. How on earth someone can waste that kind of potential on arrogant behavior is just beyond me. If i had half the talent people like this guy have, i'd be rolling in money and i sure as shit wouldn't be crapping on the fans the way he has been just because some criticism turns up. That's to be expected and if a dev is incapable of recognizing constructive criticism from senseless complaints, that's their problem. Quite frankly, i'm tired of watching the development cycle on this game get slower and slower with every update. It didn't start out like this. All his promises to do better were empty, especially after gaining the necessary pc parts to do more cause it was suppose to increase his efficiency. How about the goal of reaching a specific patron number/monthly income and he was suppose to drop his college classes to do this full time? That sure didn't happen. There's no way in hell cause development time actually increased after he reached that goal. So yeah, there were quite a few goal posts that got changed, most of which i ignored but i'll be damned if i do that anymore. These devs need a serious wake up call from their patrons, from their fans in their discords and from people on sites like this. The money stops flowing if you don't respect your customers.
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- Feb 14, 2018
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Yes, still projecting 2/24 to reach 4x100%, but there's no accounting for all this "addon" nonesense and confusion.
- Feb 14, 2018
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Have a hunch something is going to happen support wise for him within the next years time.
Things are just starting to go a certain way it feels like.
We'll see, its odd to think of where this is going to be in say 5 years (if its even still active by then it would be interesting to see how many people lost interest in this) but it could be nothing special for all I know. Only time will tell.
- Sep 28, 2018
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If he adds DRM, someone will crack it pretty easily. Other developers have put in "patron" only content and codes into games, and they got cracked too. This is a Renpy game, anyone can look into the code.
And I think he is forgetting something, if he does add DRM, it would piss a lot of people off. What's to stop those people from reporting this game to patreon? He is breaking TOS, pretty badly at that. Providing a fake game on the page, incest content, blackmail content, shota content. He'd get banned.
This is a classic "don't bite the hand that feeds you" situation LP wades into if he adds DRM. He needs to get over piracy. Runey, who is a much bigger developer than LP is, is an active and very friendly user here. Other developers who also dislike piracy post here too and are friendly. Meanwhile, LP keeps shooting himself in the foot and being antagonistic towards his main source of fans. People downloading the game on this site.
And I think he is forgetting something, if he does add DRM, it would piss a lot of people off. What's to stop those people from reporting this game to patreon? He is breaking TOS, pretty badly at that. Providing a fake game on the page, incest content, blackmail content, shota content. He'd get banned.
This is a classic "don't bite the hand that feeds you" situation LP wades into if he adds DRM. He needs to get over piracy. Runey, who is a much bigger developer than LP is, is an active and very friendly user here. Other developers who also dislike piracy post here too and are friendly. Meanwhile, LP keeps shooting himself in the foot and being antagonistic towards his main source of fans. People downloading the game on this site.
- Sep 23, 2020
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What is wrong with people here. They project their assumptions as absolute truths.
Not once has anything been mentioned by L&P about DRM. So why is it even being made into an issue. Going on a rant over a mere assumption of yours.
Not once has anything been mentioned by L&P about DRM. So why is it even being made into an issue. Going on a rant over a mere assumption of yours.
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Yes, it has been mentioned that he is working on a method where people have to be actively logged into his game to download future updates for it. Whether or not he actually follows through on doing that is the question.
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I believe he removed a scene here, where dylan gets a boner from hugging his sister...and that's the problem with releasing a story an episode/update at a time. You're free to keep going back and changing shit, thinking no one'll miss shit they've already seen.
- Apr 27, 2017
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Oh good lord. Go through the damn thread and search DRM. This has been discussed actively, he was the one who brought it up on his patreon for god sake. The future updates will only be able to be downloaded through the game itself while logged in to one's patreon account. That is a live service. Patreon does not provide anything of the sort, so odds are he's going to be using a third party site to host the download for a dowload people already paid for once. They're just going to be paying for a live service login just to get the damn game update. I don't see that flying with patreon since it'll basically be violating their terms of service.
The dev is getting slower and slower and slower..
That's an easy answer, from my own perspective, I visit to see what other "fans" are saying. I expect nothing from L&P in the way of interaction because he clearly appreciates the fact that he owes nothing to the likes of me, i.e. pirates. That's an issue that doesn't stop some other Devs from discussing the finer points of their games with such knaves but that's their choice.
Things here would be very different if the Dev even came close to doing what he says. Imagine if this forthcoming update had been released nearer to the original schedule & I'm not talking about 1 month after the last one. This discussion would have been buzzing with comments about it & with speculation for the next event. Yes, there would have been negative as well as positive critiques but that's only to be expected with any creative work.
Any change for the better in the pace of delivery would mean less time for talk of development & more discussion of developmentS in the storylines. I've never heaped abuse on the Dev but I've certainly criticised his decisions. Much negative criticism could be avoided, IMO, if communication was better. No, I don't expect L&P to communicate here on F95. Those days are gone. I'm talking about his patrons, messages to whom would probably filter onto this thread. This would involve more openness & transparency, e.g. if suffering from writer's block, just say so & that there will be a delay. I am no longer able to have faith in what he says but that hasn't stopped me liking the game because of its' quality.
At the end of the day it could be said that, "it is what it is" but what's stopping it from getting better, a few harsh criticisms, the Dev himself, both? What if criticism greatly increased, maybe decreased, ceased altogether, or stayed the same. Would anything make any difference?
This is ridiculous. How can an add-on for a scene of 1/10 of a playable day take 2 months to make?
Does he think anyone believes this?
When your own patrons want to report you out of spite for the shit you constantly pull, you don't even need to worry about the pirates. If this game update doesn't come out before the end of the month I have a very strong reason to believe that's the straw that's going to break the camel's back.
edit: any word on the amount of renders and why he's only doing 15% of them everyday?
- Jul 20, 2019
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The latest update from another dev I had supported is now a few months late and has, now that I think about it, more or less said that he was going through some things and didn't feel up to working on the game.
But he's been very communicative here (and even a little self-deprecating), so I have no problems supporting him again once a revised release date for the new update is set.
Just wish L&P was like that.
- Sep 23, 2020
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I don't count you in those "fans", you, GingerSweetGirl KillJoys , you are all not trusting his words and rightly so because he hasn't done anything to gain the trust. I don't trust the fact the next update will be out in 4-5 weeks after this one either. But do any of you whine on the thread everyday about this. You all State your criticisms in a respectful manner. Not resorting to abuses, name calling, taunting and I have nothing against them as there is no hostility in them.
Compare your statements to the "Fans" of this game and you'll see what I am talking about. I am against these abuses and name calling, not against criticising.
You guys are dicontent, so am I, but not to extent that we will cry here everyday. We see the scenario, we move on. My question is hence aimed at those people who get So Frustrated with this that they HAVE TO comment on it EVERYDAY and yet come back to torture themselves with same thing. And its not like they are spreading any positivity. So why torture oneself with this everyday.
And I would understand if such self torture would actually have a goal. This is aimless. What are they trying to achieve by saying it everyday.
- Sep 23, 2020
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